Comments on: ASP is Dead – Microsoft Slit ASP’s Throat and Left it to Bleed Out… Stop Trying to Save it. http://www.stemkoski.com/asp-is-dead-microsoft-slit-asps-throat-and-left-it-to-bleed-out/ Web design tips & tricks plus anything else I want to talk about... Wed, 01 Sep 2010 18:03:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: julz http://www.stemkoski.com/asp-is-dead-microsoft-slit-asps-throat-and-left-it-to-bleed-out/comment-page-1/#comment-35559 julz Sat, 17 Jul 2010 11:35:12 +0000 http://www.stemkoski.com/?p=679#comment-35559 @elmio I know of an ecommerce system which uses an alternative to ".asp" as the file extension but is actually classic ASP vbscript. This means all the customer's shops are ASP - but won't show up as such in google searches like yours. (sure many PHP sites also don't have .php in the url - but I'm just making the point that there are even more classic ASP sites in existence and under active development than people may realize) I suspect there are many other ASP sites out there which do this to 'hide' the fact that they use it. I really think Microsoft's big mistake regarding .NET was not providing an easy way to mix .asp and ASP.NET - thus allowing piecemeal migration. You can do it.. but you seem to have to jump through hoops to share session state. It's such a hurdle - that it's just as easy (actually easier) to move to PHP.. and I believe they lost a lot of their developer-base that way. If MS were smart - they'd reinvigorate ASP with a focus on Javascript. I predict that serverside javascript systems such as node.js will become very popular. javascript on both the client and server sides seems the way of the future to me. @elmio
I know of an ecommerce system which uses an alternative to “.asp” as the file extension but is actually classic ASP vbscript. This means all the customer’s shops are ASP – but won’t show up as such in google searches like yours. (sure many PHP sites also don’t have .php in the url – but I’m just making the point that there are even more classic ASP sites in existence and under active development than people may realize)

I suspect there are many other ASP sites out there which do this to ‘hide’ the fact that they use it.

I really think Microsoft’s big mistake regarding .NET was not providing an easy way to mix .asp and ASP.NET – thus allowing piecemeal migration. You can do it.. but you seem to have to jump through hoops to share session state. It’s such a hurdle – that it’s just as easy (actually easier) to move to PHP.. and I believe they lost a lot of their developer-base that way.

If MS were smart – they’d reinvigorate ASP with a focus on Javascript. I predict that serverside javascript systems such as node.js will become very popular. javascript on both the client and server sides seems the way of the future to me.

]]> By: Lil http://www.stemkoski.com/asp-is-dead-microsoft-slit-asps-throat-and-left-it-to-bleed-out/comment-page-1/#comment-32960 Lil Mon, 10 May 2010 16:48:32 +0000 http://www.stemkoski.com/?p=679#comment-32960 This may be of interest: http://www.prweb.com/releases/dmxready/asp/prweb3955004.htm This may be of interest: http://www.prweb.com/releases/dmxready/asp/prweb3955004.htm

]]> By: TheAL http://www.stemkoski.com/asp-is-dead-microsoft-slit-asps-throat-and-left-it-to-bleed-out/comment-page-1/#comment-32892 TheAL Fri, 07 May 2010 08:17:44 +0000 http://www.stemkoski.com/?p=679#comment-32892 I myself dabbled with ASP in 2000. I then went to college and studied other areas of computers for years. When I got back into web development on a serious level, it was obvious PHP had emerged as the blu-ray of languages. And .NET had been around for a good minute. So my knowledge of classic ASP has died. I now do a lot of xhtml/css/javascript static sites, and I use Drupal or Wordpress for everything else. I always find myself dealing with hosts that use Linux+Apache, and support for ASP/ASP.NET is usually nonexistent. So my experience has all but evaporated. Bummer, though, cause a lot of "web developer" jobs in my area focus heavily on Microsoft technologies. So they usually pass me up when I apply solely because I'm not an ASP pro. Shame, because I agree with some people here. Don't limit yourself. It's a disservice to your clients, and a disservice to your company for not tapping into so many widely used solutions. Use ASP all you want. But don't ignore things that are highly useful, like PHP. I myself dabbled with ASP in 2000. I then went to college and studied other areas of computers for years. When I got back into web development on a serious level, it was obvious PHP had emerged as the blu-ray of languages. And .NET had been around for a good minute. So my knowledge of classic ASP has died. I now do a lot of xhtml/css/javascript static sites, and I use Drupal or WordPress for everything else. I always find myself dealing with hosts that use Linux+Apache, and support for ASP/ASP.NET is usually nonexistent. So my experience has all but evaporated. Bummer, though, cause a lot of “web developer” jobs in my area focus heavily on Microsoft technologies. So they usually pass me up when I apply solely because I’m not an ASP pro. Shame, because I agree with some people here. Don’t limit yourself. It’s a disservice to your clients, and a disservice to your company for not tapping into so many widely used solutions. Use ASP all you want. But don’t ignore things that are highly useful, like PHP.

]]> By: Ayac http://www.stemkoski.com/asp-is-dead-microsoft-slit-asps-throat-and-left-it-to-bleed-out/comment-page-1/#comment-31724 Ayac Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:42:27 +0000 http://www.stemkoski.com/?p=679#comment-31724 It is great to read all these girls and guys, you made my day! Now, I am going back to my "old" ASP application... :-D Right now, it is not hard to find 3rd party components for Classic ASP and even if these are not free, most of the time they are not very expensive at all. It is my general experience that many times 3rd party products are a lot better than the original Microsoft ones, just think about Windows and its user friendly tools... :) By the way, it is a nice thing to keep PHP and ASP available on the same box, and use the advantage of both technology. Keep up coding! :) It is great to read all these girls and guys, you made my day! Now, I am going back to my “old” ASP application… :-D

Right now, it is not hard to find 3rd party components for Classic ASP and even if these are not free, most of the time they are not very expensive at all. It is my general experience that many times 3rd party products are a lot better than the original Microsoft ones, just think about Windows and its user friendly tools… :)

By the way, it is a nice thing to keep PHP and ASP available on the same box, and use the advantage of both technology.

Keep up coding! :)

]]> By: Elmio http://www.stemkoski.com/asp-is-dead-microsoft-slit-asps-throat-and-left-it-to-bleed-out/comment-page-1/#comment-28113 Elmio Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:51:34 +0000 http://www.stemkoski.com/?p=679#comment-28113 On Google this day: allinurl: “asp” 9.210.000.000 allinurl: “aspx” 8.090.000.000 allinurl: “php” 25.270.000.000 If Microsoft stops support for VBScript and other lightweight scripting-languages in asp they will loose 9.000000000 pages to php. The rest will migrate to .NET Classic ASP for ever! On Google this day:
allinurl: “asp” 9.210.000.000
allinurl: “aspx” 8.090.000.000
allinurl: “php” 25.270.000.000

If Microsoft stops support for VBScript and other lightweight scripting-languages in asp they will loose 9.000000000 pages to php. The rest will migrate to .NET

Classic ASP for ever!

]]> By: Lil http://www.stemkoski.com/asp-is-dead-microsoft-slit-asps-throat-and-left-it-to-bleed-out/comment-page-1/#comment-26089 Lil Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:36:13 +0000 http://www.stemkoski.com/?p=679#comment-26089 My reply to Andrei: I continue to enjoy coding with Classic ASP very much and even more so now with Ajax. I have begun using PHP, and am pleased to find that it is similar enough to Classic ASP that it feels very familiar to me. There are some things that I find to be even more simple with PHP. I am not interested in learning NET at this time because if I'm going to take the time to learn a different coding technology, then I'm going to go with the one that is open source and can be run on Linux servers. My reply to Andrei: I continue to enjoy coding with Classic ASP very much and even more so now with Ajax. I have begun using PHP, and am pleased to find that it is similar enough to Classic ASP that it feels very familiar to me. There are some things that I find to be even more simple with PHP. I am not interested in learning NET at this time because if I’m going to take the time to learn a different coding technology, then I’m going to go with the one that is open source and can be run on Linux servers.

]]> By: xentia http://www.stemkoski.com/asp-is-dead-microsoft-slit-asps-throat-and-left-it-to-bleed-out/comment-page-1/#comment-26057 xentia Sat, 19 Dec 2009 21:12:45 +0000 http://www.stemkoski.com/?p=679#comment-26057 I'm use classic ASP from a long, long time. Also, i've begin use PHP since 2001 and convert a lot of my projects from ASP to PHP. What can I say, there is much, too much tasks which can be fine executed via ASP - much simplier and easy. Also - with extended support from new version of IIS - mean security, etc. - my clients feel OK with there quick and short ASP tools. Well, PHP provide to me much more power and ASP provide to me speed (for development) and simplicity. I’m use classic ASP from a long, long time. Also, i’ve begin use PHP since 2001 and convert a lot of my projects from ASP to PHP. What can I say, there is much, too much tasks which can be fine executed via ASP – much simplier and easy. Also – with extended support from new version of IIS – mean security, etc. – my clients feel OK with there quick and short ASP tools. Well, PHP provide to me much more power and ASP provide to me speed (for development) and simplicity.

]]> By: Andrei Rinea http://www.stemkoski.com/asp-is-dead-microsoft-slit-asps-throat-and-left-it-to-bleed-out/comment-page-1/#comment-24094 Andrei Rinea Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:15:22 +0000 http://www.stemkoski.com/?p=679#comment-24094 @Bustos : Have you seen ASP.NET MVC? @Bustos : Have you seen ASP.NET MVC?

]]> By: Andrei Rinea http://www.stemkoski.com/asp-is-dead-microsoft-slit-asps-throat-and-left-it-to-bleed-out/comment-page-1/#comment-24093 Andrei Rinea Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:14:11 +0000 http://www.stemkoski.com/?p=679#comment-24093 @Lil : Could you please tell us why you have no plans to learn .NET? After all switching to PHP would also require learning.. @Lil : Could you please tell us why you have no plans to learn .NET?

After all switching to PHP would also require learning..

]]> By: Lil http://www.stemkoski.com/asp-is-dead-microsoft-slit-asps-throat-and-left-it-to-bleed-out/comment-page-1/#comment-24092 Lil Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:25:17 +0000 http://www.stemkoski.com/?p=679#comment-24092 I agree with Pieter, that "we should gather and make sure to create new applications. Because the more we code, the more code we share, the more users we will get. And the more users, the bigger the chance will be that Microsoft reconsiders the future of ASP." I enjoy the beautiful simplicity of ASP. I find it easy to learn and fun to use, and now enjoy integrating Ajax into some of my code. I will switch to PHP if I have to, but I have no plans to learn NET. I agree with Pieter, that “we should gather and make sure to create new applications. Because the more we code, the more code we share, the more users we will get. And the more users, the bigger the chance will be that Microsoft reconsiders the future of ASP.”

I enjoy the beautiful simplicity of ASP. I find it easy to learn and fun to use, and now enjoy integrating Ajax into some of my code. I will switch to PHP if I have to, but I have no plans to learn NET.

]]>